Nicely done Michael. Unfortunately we are learning some harsh lessons these last few years, not only with the Project 2025 shenanigans, but also with efforts to bring Tr*-p to justice during the Biden years. Our legal system and system of governance was designed by intelligent men of good will, but they failed to imagine what would happen if those systems were overtaken by people of Ill will determined to bend or break the rules in every conceivable manner. That leaves us with a very sad and unsatisfactory outcome that we are trying to figure out how to address today.
That was a great deep dive. I have been commenting about this for the last week or so, as court cases move forward regarding the hacked election of 2024. The Election Truth Alliance and other groups are bringing forward some quite compelling new evidence that Musk and others were directly involved in hacking the results. Read up on it people and contact your representatives to demand a recount of the paper ballots. A very simple and clear request. It won’t cost much to do a recount in the swing states.
Thanks for your precise logic in gaming out the various possibilities should ballot manipulation be proven in court. However, one thing you did not address is time. The single lawsuit filed by Diane Sare et. al. v. Rockland County (NY) Board of Elections in December 2024 is only getting to the discovery phase in August. At this pace it will be at least another year to get to trial and decision which puts us well into the critical 2026 midterm elections. Trump needs to maintain Republican control of the House and Senate, so the midterms have to be won at all costs and I suspect he and his Republican enablers will do anything to succeed. Therefore rather than focusing on looking back, the best that can come from definitively proving tabulators were hacked is for Registrars and Boards of Elections across the country to be aware of the problem to prevent the corruption of the 2026 and 2028 elections. "Fore-warned is fore-armed."
Even after election fraud were to be proven, the lengthy appeals process, first through the New York Court system and then inevitably through the federal courts eventually ending at the Supreme Court will take many years if not a decade once Trump were to become involved. He is, after all, the master of delay and will have been long departed from the presidency if not from life itself by final resolution, which, with these justices cannot be predicted.
It has boggled my mind that no Registrars, Boards of Elections or Secretaries of State have shown any curiosity, given the statistical anomalies demonstrated by reputable academics and other anecdotal evidence, to conduct and report even the most cursory investigation of their equipment and ballots. It's my hope that should the Rockland County lawsuit prove tampering, that others around the country will look at their own equipment and 2024 election results.
I am not a lawyer but think that class action lawsuits are the way to get around the limited injunctions imposed by the Supreme Court and still have a nationwide impact with a single case.
Well, another nail in the coffin. Once again, Trump has brought about the circumstances that tell the tale. That being: we have laws that have no teeth for enforcement unless you give it to them. Disregard them, and nothing happens but a lot of screaming about , "that's against the law!". What law?? Oh, you mean the suggestion of the law! And the guaranteed Constitutional rights,... well, they're not guaranteed either unless they're given by whoever is in control at that time. Subject to the whims of the president. How comforting to know this. So, we're now in a possible situation that could negate results of elections or obsolete elections in general. What's the point, I guess, when the results can be skewed to whatever those in control dictate. No use fighting when the guy at the top has control over every aspect of the government and judicial system. Pathetic excuse of a democratic government. Makes you feel rather dirty and violated doesn't it, when considering how we as a society have been used to simulate a powerful country of democracy, when we're really nothing but puppets waiting for the puppeteer to arrive and expose the real workings of our government. Zombies for an opposition party. A feeding frenzy of ass-kissers for a ruling party. No judiciary. No recourse!!! Amazing... And all done in just 6 months. 249 years of people following and dying for words in a system that is only held together if you feel like complying. The facade is gone now. What's waiting around the corner... who knows??!!!
I vote for Musk to be offered a deal, perhaps with no prison time served, if he tells the truth about how he rigged the election to ensure drumpf got back in the WH.
He would also need to divulge all the secrets he’s privy to, like the epstein files, plans to use our personal info to spy on us and support the American Fascist Party (formerly GOP) in their coup/insurrection against the U.S., and how he and his companies are involved.
He is a coward just like the rest of the fascists in the American Fascist Party (AFP). He would sing like a songbird to avoid prison.
ETA goes into that at length. The arrogance of the GOP throughout all of this executive overreach like they have nothing to fear. Mike Johnson and Trump talking about their "little secret."
The opening paragraph suggests the goal (after a judicial finding of tampering) would be to "enjoin the seating of tainted electors." The 2024 electoral votes have already been certified, so (perhaps I'm missing something) I think the die has already been cast.
Second, I can imagine state-level investigations into alleged election interference, but do not envision a scenario where the current DOJ's Civil Rights Div (Voting Section) would be too enthusiastic. Impeachment by Congress, same.
If intentional, significant, systemic tampering /fraud were to be proven (in one or more jurisdictions), after punishing bad actors, the best outcome IMO would be for State Legislatures to mandate (a) changes to voting processes (hardware, software etc) to prevent future lapses and (b) rigorous audits going forward.
Appears the Rockland case is a linchpin. Thank you for your analysis. Please keep us posted.
Your revised post, much appreciated. My main point in writing back is to explain my favoritism for state election law. I lead in with a couple things for clarification (I hope).
You wrote. "In short, statewide decertification and recount orders remain fully within district courts’ authority post-Trump v. USA." This is somewhat ambiguous; unless I am misreading you, when you said "fully", I don't think you mean to imply the federal district court's authority is exclusive.
First, do you mean Trump v CASA (S Ct, June 27, 2025) (the birthright case addressing the permissibility of nationwide injunctions)?
Second, to clarify. In CASA, the Supreme Court opinion addressed the reach of injunctions and disfavored universal/nationwide injunctions by US district courts and US courts of appeal, implying that only the US Supreme Court has jurisdiction to apply equitable rulings universally/nationwide.
Based on Trump v CASA, it is reasonable to surmise that if an election miscount or tampering case between a plaintiff and defendant from the same State but using federal law came before a federal district court, "... statewide decertification and recount orders remain fully within district courts’ authority post-Trump v. USA [sic]" but any injunctive relief would be limited to the geographical/jurisdictional boundaries of the State.
In contrast, if said case was brought in State court (using state election law), the highest court in the State would have the authority to order injunctive relief related to decertification and recount orders (again, only for the State). Similarly, if bad actors and co-conspirators were proven guilty of state election crimes, the State courts would have jurisdiction.
State and federal election laws overlap, so adjudication in State courts using state law does not preclude federal prosecution using federal law (under dual sovereignty principles) but using state law has the advantage of avoiding a politicized DOJ (and avoids the possibility of presidential pardons).
I appreciate this analysis because it explains a lot about what could happen if Trump tried to deploy the military against us. He may try this path even if election interference is not proven.
What paths are open to us to ensure the next major election in 2026 is not stolen? If it is proven that illegal software changes or fake votes were created, then could that be used as leverage to strengthen voting safety? How can we do that?
Voters elected Harris and Walz. Period. The cheats forfeit. Period. It does not have to be complicated. It is not complicated. Truth is truth. Constitution is still the law of the land and foundation of our country. The people made their choice. And the country will abide by it because most Americans abide by the Constitution.
Do they? Sometimes I wonder…Funny, but people are very adamant about their votes counting, not being dropped, or changed. They seem less committed to the rule of law, due process, habeas corpus— but don’t mess with their votes. If district audits could take place in at least some states, to expose the tab changes, that’s one angle whete people might raise a ruckus enough to do automatic audits in ‘26 and demand paper backup ballots be counted. We must protect ‘26.
The data that has been collected is too strong to be ignored. As long as our citizenry remains devoted to the belief of truth, justice,freedom and democracy, then we will all be tested. Patient endurance and determined persistence is required of us all to achieve the outcome we desire for the future of our United States of America. God bless us all! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
And thank you brother for your continued devotion to duty!
As I see things, nothing will change, and nothing will ever done about trump stealing the 2024 election. Our country has been overtaken by fascists and I truly do not see a way to correct the mess we are in. All our hand wringing and writing about what we feel we know is the truth, will come to naught. We simply do not have the people needed to right our ship.
Federal district courts can no longer issue universal (nationwide) injunctions, but the Supreme Court has not outlawed statewide injunctions, so the premise of your post is incorrect.
True Kathleen, good call! Considering the heart of the Starlink technology conspiracy, should have been ushered to the front of any investigation, It could have been but wasn’t. Why, because voter purge is the answer to the question of how Trump and his coterie of miscreants, scheme provided his get out of jail free card, and presidential victory!
Greg Palast investigated the situation thoroughly, with staggering results!
As for the rest of Michael’s amazing analysis, his points are factual and likely. A truly reasonable and remarkably detailed explanation of how a billionaire and corrupt SCOTUS backed career criminal would remain in power. We are so very screwed Kathleen!!
While it makes for great reading and the concept is facinating, this is a nothing burger. There was no indication that President Biden did not win the 2020 election and there is no indication that President Trump did not win the 2024 election. The side that doesn't win is always going to bitch and moan about not getting their way, regardless of party. For those of you who are too young to remember "Landslide Lyndon Johnson," look it up. Talk about the potential for strange ballot counting. Look at Joseph Kennedy and the lengths he went to in Illinois and West Virginia to ensure JFK won. Had Nixon agreed to a recount, JFK would have probably lost but Nixon told his handlers "the election's over." We had a similar situation a few years back in GA where if about 900 people in western GA had gotten off of their couches and voted, there would not have been a runoff and Senator Ossoff would not be sitting in the Senate. Their candidate was leading with over 50% of the vote so a lot of them stayed home and drank beer. Their candidate, I think it was Sonny Perdue, ended up with 49.2% thus requiring a runoff and now-Senator Ossoff carried the day. This is why every vote counts every time. Even if you think your candidate is blowing the opponent away, GO VOTE! Florida used to have the problem where the newsies would call the election early even before the polls closed in the panhandle because it was in a different time zone and that was a very subtle and effective attempt at voter suppression. So, if you know people who are a bit nonchalant about voting, then kick their ass to the polls when the midterms come around. Regardless of who you vote for, it's a freakin' privilege to vote and we've made it so easy there's no excuse not to vote. If my local area has a special election for animal control officer, I'm there every time.
Dominion is being discussed.But white hat hackers raised warnings that the election systems had been breached several times subsequent to the 2020 Election ( Coffee Cty, GA for instance) and no measures were taken before ‘24 to see if any tampering had taken place that might’ve enabled a receptive system to remote intervention. There is some evidence that in some systems and districts there was degree of manipulation in 2016 and 2020 on behalf of Trump. But the mail- in ballot numbers were so heavy due to COVID that Biden won anyway. Trump thought he had it in the bag, so the Big Lie was pushed anyway.
Ahh so that's why those mail ballots were so dangerous for Trump, and why Biden could win, in spite of what we now suspect. Another piece falls into place
You seem unconcerned by the mess in Fulton County, or Penna, or Mich and on and on. Your side can't even bring yourselves to adopt the simplest security measures of voter ID; claiming your voters are incapable of such a high hurdle. Seems that a party so supposedly concerned about democracy would have some concern for election integrity.
Voter ID has not been a significant cause of fraud in elections, and the few cases that have come up have been offenses by GOP voters. Localities have had their burdens of proof and that has sufficed. The SAVES act (typical MAGA doublespeak) and all that garbage is voter suppression in disguise, requiring that women go to hassle and expense of obtaining certificates and divorce documentation for past marriages, maiden names, etc. I have a State 'Real ID' that may still not be sufficient for voting under that nonsense. After the 2016 election, our Sec of State, a Republican, was part of a Trumpian voter fraud panel that was a typical GOP farce. There was nothing to see. It disbanded. However, when you look at the possibility of tabulator manipulation resulting in changed or lost votes such as forensic expert Dr Mebane found in PA (25,000 malevolent changes in one method; 120,000 'likely malevolently altered votes' in another method, and a high of 220,000 under another method) we are talking serious mass fraud.
The data is all there and more daily showing the corrupt and statistically impossible patterns. AND ready for court—unlike the lame claims in the 63 suits in 2020 by MAGA. Back when lying under oath brought charges of contempt or perjury.
Nicely done Michael. Unfortunately we are learning some harsh lessons these last few years, not only with the Project 2025 shenanigans, but also with efforts to bring Tr*-p to justice during the Biden years. Our legal system and system of governance was designed by intelligent men of good will, but they failed to imagine what would happen if those systems were overtaken by people of Ill will determined to bend or break the rules in every conceivable manner. That leaves us with a very sad and unsatisfactory outcome that we are trying to figure out how to address today.
That was a great deep dive. I have been commenting about this for the last week or so, as court cases move forward regarding the hacked election of 2024. The Election Truth Alliance and other groups are bringing forward some quite compelling new evidence that Musk and others were directly involved in hacking the results. Read up on it people and contact your representatives to demand a recount of the paper ballots. A very simple and clear request. It won’t cost much to do a recount in the swing states.
Thanks...SHALL do ...If anything it's a way to move in a positive direction..
I think an audit would do it. A recount attempt would make Miller go insane and that’s not a place I want to be.
Thanks for your precise logic in gaming out the various possibilities should ballot manipulation be proven in court. However, one thing you did not address is time. The single lawsuit filed by Diane Sare et. al. v. Rockland County (NY) Board of Elections in December 2024 is only getting to the discovery phase in August. At this pace it will be at least another year to get to trial and decision which puts us well into the critical 2026 midterm elections. Trump needs to maintain Republican control of the House and Senate, so the midterms have to be won at all costs and I suspect he and his Republican enablers will do anything to succeed. Therefore rather than focusing on looking back, the best that can come from definitively proving tabulators were hacked is for Registrars and Boards of Elections across the country to be aware of the problem to prevent the corruption of the 2026 and 2028 elections. "Fore-warned is fore-armed."
Even after election fraud were to be proven, the lengthy appeals process, first through the New York Court system and then inevitably through the federal courts eventually ending at the Supreme Court will take many years if not a decade once Trump were to become involved. He is, after all, the master of delay and will have been long departed from the presidency if not from life itself by final resolution, which, with these justices cannot be predicted.
It has boggled my mind that no Registrars, Boards of Elections or Secretaries of State have shown any curiosity, given the statistical anomalies demonstrated by reputable academics and other anecdotal evidence, to conduct and report even the most cursory investigation of their equipment and ballots. It's my hope that should the Rockland County lawsuit prove tampering, that others around the country will look at their own equipment and 2024 election results.
https://open.substack.com/pub/dissentinbloom/p/forensic-copies-of-voting-software?r=57iorz&utm_medium=ios
Thanks for the link. What an eye opener even for me who has been following the issue on other Substacks and YouTube channels for months.
I am not a lawyer but think that class action lawsuits are the way to get around the limited injunctions imposed by the Supreme Court and still have a nationwide impact with a single case.
Well, another nail in the coffin. Once again, Trump has brought about the circumstances that tell the tale. That being: we have laws that have no teeth for enforcement unless you give it to them. Disregard them, and nothing happens but a lot of screaming about , "that's against the law!". What law?? Oh, you mean the suggestion of the law! And the guaranteed Constitutional rights,... well, they're not guaranteed either unless they're given by whoever is in control at that time. Subject to the whims of the president. How comforting to know this. So, we're now in a possible situation that could negate results of elections or obsolete elections in general. What's the point, I guess, when the results can be skewed to whatever those in control dictate. No use fighting when the guy at the top has control over every aspect of the government and judicial system. Pathetic excuse of a democratic government. Makes you feel rather dirty and violated doesn't it, when considering how we as a society have been used to simulate a powerful country of democracy, when we're really nothing but puppets waiting for the puppeteer to arrive and expose the real workings of our government. Zombies for an opposition party. A feeding frenzy of ass-kissers for a ruling party. No judiciary. No recourse!!! Amazing... And all done in just 6 months. 249 years of people following and dying for words in a system that is only held together if you feel like complying. The facade is gone now. What's waiting around the corner... who knows??!!!
I vote for Musk to be offered a deal, perhaps with no prison time served, if he tells the truth about how he rigged the election to ensure drumpf got back in the WH.
He would also need to divulge all the secrets he’s privy to, like the epstein files, plans to use our personal info to spy on us and support the American Fascist Party (formerly GOP) in their coup/insurrection against the U.S., and how he and his companies are involved.
He is a coward just like the rest of the fascists in the American Fascist Party (AFP). He would sing like a songbird to avoid prison.
I believe senate and house elections were hacked as well, not just swing states.
ETA goes into that at length. The arrogance of the GOP throughout all of this executive overreach like they have nothing to fear. Mike Johnson and Trump talking about their "little secret."
https://open.substack.com/pub/dissentinbloom/p/forensic-copies-of-voting-software?r=57iorz&utm_medium=ios
The opening paragraph suggests the goal (after a judicial finding of tampering) would be to "enjoin the seating of tainted electors." The 2024 electoral votes have already been certified, so (perhaps I'm missing something) I think the die has already been cast.
Second, I can imagine state-level investigations into alleged election interference, but do not envision a scenario where the current DOJ's Civil Rights Div (Voting Section) would be too enthusiastic. Impeachment by Congress, same.
If intentional, significant, systemic tampering /fraud were to be proven (in one or more jurisdictions), after punishing bad actors, the best outcome IMO would be for State Legislatures to mandate (a) changes to voting processes (hardware, software etc) to prevent future lapses and (b) rigorous audits going forward.
Appears the Rockland case is a linchpin. Thank you for your analysis. Please keep us posted.
Yes, I fixed that so if you read in the app it's fixed. Thanks for flagging.
Your revised post, much appreciated. My main point in writing back is to explain my favoritism for state election law. I lead in with a couple things for clarification (I hope).
You wrote. "In short, statewide decertification and recount orders remain fully within district courts’ authority post-Trump v. USA." This is somewhat ambiguous; unless I am misreading you, when you said "fully", I don't think you mean to imply the federal district court's authority is exclusive.
First, do you mean Trump v CASA (S Ct, June 27, 2025) (the birthright case addressing the permissibility of nationwide injunctions)?
Second, to clarify. In CASA, the Supreme Court opinion addressed the reach of injunctions and disfavored universal/nationwide injunctions by US district courts and US courts of appeal, implying that only the US Supreme Court has jurisdiction to apply equitable rulings universally/nationwide.
Based on Trump v CASA, it is reasonable to surmise that if an election miscount or tampering case between a plaintiff and defendant from the same State but using federal law came before a federal district court, "... statewide decertification and recount orders remain fully within district courts’ authority post-Trump v. USA [sic]" but any injunctive relief would be limited to the geographical/jurisdictional boundaries of the State.
In contrast, if said case was brought in State court (using state election law), the highest court in the State would have the authority to order injunctive relief related to decertification and recount orders (again, only for the State). Similarly, if bad actors and co-conspirators were proven guilty of state election crimes, the State courts would have jurisdiction.
State and federal election laws overlap, so adjudication in State courts using state law does not preclude federal prosecution using federal law (under dual sovereignty principles) but using state law has the advantage of avoiding a politicized DOJ (and avoids the possibility of presidential pardons).
I appreciate this analysis because it explains a lot about what could happen if Trump tried to deploy the military against us. He may try this path even if election interference is not proven.
What paths are open to us to ensure the next major election in 2026 is not stolen? If it is proven that illegal software changes or fake votes were created, then could that be used as leverage to strengthen voting safety? How can we do that?
Voters elected Harris and Walz. Period. The cheats forfeit. Period. It does not have to be complicated. It is not complicated. Truth is truth. Constitution is still the law of the land and foundation of our country. The people made their choice. And the country will abide by it because most Americans abide by the Constitution.
Do they? Sometimes I wonder…Funny, but people are very adamant about their votes counting, not being dropped, or changed. They seem less committed to the rule of law, due process, habeas corpus— but don’t mess with their votes. If district audits could take place in at least some states, to expose the tab changes, that’s one angle whete people might raise a ruckus enough to do automatic audits in ‘26 and demand paper backup ballots be counted. We must protect ‘26.
The data that has been collected is too strong to be ignored. As long as our citizenry remains devoted to the belief of truth, justice,freedom and democracy, then we will all be tested. Patient endurance and determined persistence is required of us all to achieve the outcome we desire for the future of our United States of America. God bless us all! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
And thank you brother for your continued devotion to duty!
As I see things, nothing will change, and nothing will ever done about trump stealing the 2024 election. Our country has been overtaken by fascists and I truly do not see a way to correct the mess we are in. All our hand wringing and writing about what we feel we know is the truth, will come to naught. We simply do not have the people needed to right our ship.
Sadly courts don’t seem to exist for regular citizens anymore
Federal district courts can no longer issue universal (nationwide) injunctions, but the Supreme Court has not outlawed statewide injunctions, so the premise of your post is incorrect.
Yes -- I've adjusted to allow for that aspect. Thanks for the quick feedback.
Just saw this after I posted, my post isn’t flawless…
True Kathleen, good call! Considering the heart of the Starlink technology conspiracy, should have been ushered to the front of any investigation, It could have been but wasn’t. Why, because voter purge is the answer to the question of how Trump and his coterie of miscreants, scheme provided his get out of jail free card, and presidential victory!
Greg Palast investigated the situation thoroughly, with staggering results!
As for the rest of Michael’s amazing analysis, his points are factual and likely. A truly reasonable and remarkably detailed explanation of how a billionaire and corrupt SCOTUS backed career criminal would remain in power. We are so very screwed Kathleen!!
While it makes for great reading and the concept is facinating, this is a nothing burger. There was no indication that President Biden did not win the 2020 election and there is no indication that President Trump did not win the 2024 election. The side that doesn't win is always going to bitch and moan about not getting their way, regardless of party. For those of you who are too young to remember "Landslide Lyndon Johnson," look it up. Talk about the potential for strange ballot counting. Look at Joseph Kennedy and the lengths he went to in Illinois and West Virginia to ensure JFK won. Had Nixon agreed to a recount, JFK would have probably lost but Nixon told his handlers "the election's over." We had a similar situation a few years back in GA where if about 900 people in western GA had gotten off of their couches and voted, there would not have been a runoff and Senator Ossoff would not be sitting in the Senate. Their candidate was leading with over 50% of the vote so a lot of them stayed home and drank beer. Their candidate, I think it was Sonny Perdue, ended up with 49.2% thus requiring a runoff and now-Senator Ossoff carried the day. This is why every vote counts every time. Even if you think your candidate is blowing the opponent away, GO VOTE! Florida used to have the problem where the newsies would call the election early even before the polls closed in the panhandle because it was in a different time zone and that was a very subtle and effective attempt at voter suppression. So, if you know people who are a bit nonchalant about voting, then kick their ass to the polls when the midterms come around. Regardless of who you vote for, it's a freakin' privilege to vote and we've made it so easy there's no excuse not to vote. If my local area has a special election for animal control officer, I'm there every time.
Protections precluding Dominion cheating would prevent other cheating as well. Why no interest in Dominion?
Dominion is being discussed.But white hat hackers raised warnings that the election systems had been breached several times subsequent to the 2020 Election ( Coffee Cty, GA for instance) and no measures were taken before ‘24 to see if any tampering had taken place that might’ve enabled a receptive system to remote intervention. There is some evidence that in some systems and districts there was degree of manipulation in 2016 and 2020 on behalf of Trump. But the mail- in ballot numbers were so heavy due to COVID that Biden won anyway. Trump thought he had it in the bag, so the Big Lie was pushed anyway.
Ahh so that's why those mail ballots were so dangerous for Trump, and why Biden could win, in spite of what we now suspect. Another piece falls into place
Yes it threw their plan. But gave them 4 years to tune it up. Cambridge Analytica and such forays were just testing the waters.
You seem unconcerned by the mess in Fulton County, or Penna, or Mich and on and on. Your side can't even bring yourselves to adopt the simplest security measures of voter ID; claiming your voters are incapable of such a high hurdle. Seems that a party so supposedly concerned about democracy would have some concern for election integrity.
Voter ID has not been a significant cause of fraud in elections, and the few cases that have come up have been offenses by GOP voters. Localities have had their burdens of proof and that has sufficed. The SAVES act (typical MAGA doublespeak) and all that garbage is voter suppression in disguise, requiring that women go to hassle and expense of obtaining certificates and divorce documentation for past marriages, maiden names, etc. I have a State 'Real ID' that may still not be sufficient for voting under that nonsense. After the 2016 election, our Sec of State, a Republican, was part of a Trumpian voter fraud panel that was a typical GOP farce. There was nothing to see. It disbanded. However, when you look at the possibility of tabulator manipulation resulting in changed or lost votes such as forensic expert Dr Mebane found in PA (25,000 malevolent changes in one method; 120,000 'likely malevolently altered votes' in another method, and a high of 220,000 under another method) we are talking serious mass fraud.
Keep telling yourself that. Cheers
The data is all there and more daily showing the corrupt and statistically impossible patterns. AND ready for court—unlike the lame claims in the 63 suits in 2020 by MAGA. Back when lying under oath brought charges of contempt or perjury.